2 Link discussion

[Alvarez1112]

Figured I'd start something to talk about because this section is pretty dead....2 links. Love em' hate em' speak your peace, but have something solid to stand on!

[OneLowRanger]

I don't mind mine. The thing I hate about it though is that the whole axles shifts majorly when lifted up...even though the panhard bar gets it at the right spot laid out.

[c.nash]

Hate em...

Massive Pinion Angle Change and just a terrible platform for anything you plan on driving more than inside the showgrounds.

Can't hit sides either which makes it bad for axle angle change while going up uneven roads or turning into an uneven highway from the street.

[Alvarez1112]

I don't mind mine. The thing I hate about it though is that the whole axles shifts majorly when lifted up...even though the panhard bar gets it at the right spot laid out.

was it built at ride hight or laying out?

[Alvarez1112]

Hate em...

Massive Pinion Angle Change and just a terrible platform for anything you plan on driving more than inside the showgrounds.

Can't hit sides either which makes it bad for axle angle change while going up uneven roads or turning into an uneven highway from the street.

I agree there is pinion angle change but how often are you driving not at "ride hight" where pinion angle should be set....and sides are over rated, and as far as axle angle change how different can it be from leaf springs?

[c.nash]

I agree there is pinion angle change but how often are you driving not at "ride hight" where pinion angle should be set....and sides are over rated, and as far as axle angle change how different can it be from leaf springs?

Leaf springs actually allow a lot more because they have flex.

Put one side of a truck on level ground and the otherside on a 2 foot tall block and the leaf springs will flex to accomidate, a 2-link will not.

[Blazed22s]

I agree there is pinion angle change but how often are you driving not at "ride hight" where pinion angle should be set....and sides are over rated, and as far as axle angle change how different can it be from leaf springs?

2-links are box tubing usually, and leaf spring is spring steal, so it gives adn flexs, where as the box tubing doesnt

i have had a 2 link on my blazer for as long as its been bagged. i have had a couple issues with it, but it has been damn good for over a year now with out any problems, and i drive it daily. the wheels move very little frm aired up to aired out, and i dont notice hrdly any pinion angle change. Im also bag over axle, and ride as low as i can out back 98% of the time.

going up steep driveways can be a little tricky, but as long as you take it slow, it seems to do good.

[Blazed22s]

one thing i DO like about the 2 link though is that it doesnt permit alot of body roll

[draggindually93]

they are ok, a freind of mine had a bag on bar two link on an s-10, worked great and he drove it daily for over a year. I rode way better than I expected it to.

[Blazed22s]

they arent too bad, but i have seen some gone wrong, i recently had to patch one up for my friend. he had someone make his for his fullsize chevy, with bag on bar. and by the axle the had pie cut and angled the end of it by the axle to compinsate for the axle pad to make the pinion straight. well where they pie cut it, the welds ripped apart, and the whole link bar twisted, and the only reason why the whole bar didnt break completely off was the last little bit of metal they didnt cut was holding it together.
so i cleaned up the area as much as i could and welded that up, then put more metal in there as a gusset of sorts until they made a new one.

[draggindually93]

Im pretty sure that he cut the spring pad off the axle and u-bolted and welded the tubing to the axle on his, that way he just rotated the axle to were it worked best and welded the bar to it.

[NomaOnAir]

I think that they're a decent setup if built/setup correctly ... AN if you know the limits of the setup . Typically as mentioned above theyre setup @ ride height.

as for a terrible platform "I" wouldnt go far as to say that .. C10 anyone ? I know tons of mud trucks that run 2 link setups some making upwards of 800 hp with no issues whatsoever . an some are dailys an others are raced EVERY weekend !

Ed

[BIG RYAN]

some one on s10forum wanted to do a reverse 2 link. hahaha just think about what i said " reverse 2 link"

he was a noooooobie to da max

[Blazed22s]

some one on s10forum wanted to do a reverse 2 link. hahaha just think about what i said " reverse 2 link"

he was a noooooobie to da max

haha thats horrible. imagine driving down the road with that kinda setup, and you lift to high and your driveshaft falls out and digs into the road causing you wreck and die

[BlackEsDime]

I think that they're a decent setup if built/setup correctly ... AN if you know the limits of the setup . Typically as mentioned above theyre setup @ ride height.

as for a terrible platform "I" wouldnt go far as to say that .. C10 anyone ? I know tons of mud trucks that run 2 link setups some making upwards of 800 hp with no issues whatsoever . an some are dailys an others are raced EVERY weekend !

Ed
not trying to argue any points really, but i don't think i've ever seen a lifted truck run a 2-link. I've seen them with huge leafs and TRACK BARS that look like 2-links, but they're stabilizer bars to prevent axle wrap... similar, but different.

[tony from delrico]

mud trucks need articulation.no 2 links that i know of give that...

[Saggy_Nutz]

ive seen 2 links in the mud. ive seen 9/10 c-10 (late 60's, early 70's) with stock rears go for a long time and hook very well

[tony from delrico]

the axle isnt directly welded to the bar on that setup though,doesnt it use a rubber isolator to have some flex?and most trucks that have that arent lifted because of the problems u get from a 2 link.even the 4wd version of that truck uses leafs

[slamdfullsize]

2 link sucks, for the money you can get a 4 link, and a 4 link is way better for you truck anyway. it keeps all the angles in line, allows axle movement during normal operation and during the changes in height caused by adjustable suspension. 2 links arent worth it, and have more problems than 4 links. set up correctly or not, a 4 link will work better and ride better than any 2 link

[draggindually93]

2 link sucks, for the money you can get a 4 link, and a 4 link is way better for you truck anyway. it keeps all the angles in line, allows axle movement during normal operation and during the changes in height caused by adjustable suspension. 2 links arent worth it, and have more problems than 4 links. set up correctly or not, a 4 link will work better and ride better than any 2 link

what money, all you need for a two link is 2 peices of square tubing and 2 bushings, you would have less than 50 bucks in it If you can get a four link for that I wanna know where.

[slamdfullsize]

for what i have seen them go for online, you can get a 4 link for the same price.

and even if i was building one, id spend the other 50 bux to get the extra 2 bars and bushings.

[Blazed22s]

2 link sucks, for the money you can get a 4 link, and a 4 link is way better for you truck anyway. it keeps all the angles in line, allows axle movement during normal operation and during the changes in height caused by adjustable suspension. 2 links arent worth it, and have more problems than 4 links. set up correctly or not, a 4 link will work better and ride better than any 2 link

actually, the 4link my isuzu came with was 10x worse then any 2linked truck i have ridden in. it was a 50/50 4link, and i'd rather have a 2link over that ANY DAY. but i am 4linkin it right now, all forward, bag on lower bar, so no worries.

and where have you seen this 4link stuff for soooo cheap? $50-$100 for a 4link is stupid cheap. thats deffinately not including the frame mounts for the bars, and axle mounts. 2 link all you need is the factory leaf spring hanger and some new u-bolts. a 2 link is way cheaper.

[BlackEsDime]

yeah, cause i make non-adjustable 4-links for bag on bar setups and sell them for 250... and i'm not making much on it... please, let me know!

[draggindually93]

for what i have seen them go for online, you can get a 4 link for the same price.

and even if i was building one, id spend the other 50 bux to get the extra 2 bars and bushings.

Its alot harder to make a four link, incase you didnt know all you have to do is drill a hole in a peice of tubing for a leafspring bushing and bolt it to the factory spring perches in front and u-bolt it to the axle in the back, no tabs, no rod ends, ect.

[BlackEsDime]

drill a whole in a piece of tubing for a leaf spring bushing? i hope i'm reading this wrong and you're not saying to weld on a leaf spring end to a bar for a bushing...

[draggindually93]

drill a whole in a piece of tubing for a leaf spring bushing? i hope i'm reading this wrong and you're not saying to weld on a leaf spring end to a bar for a bushing...

no, put a bushing through the tubing, or put a rod end on the end of the tubing

[BlackEsDime]

ok... well, i still wouldn't just drill a hole out and put a bushing in... strictly bar end's and bushings for me.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/droppeddime407/tys%20truck/tystruck017.jpg

[draggindually93]

ok... well, i still wouldn't just drill a hole out and put a bushing in... strictly bar end's and bushings for me.

agreed, ive never done it that way just seen it before

[LIL-WILL]

I'm running a 2link with a watts link on my 1500 with bags over axel it ride ok, with the bags on the axel you don't have to worry about your pinion angle shifting (once you get it set) due to theres only about 8-10 inches of travel

[9SIXBLAZER]

Now That Every One Gave Opinion On A 2 Link, How Bout A Reverse 4 Link With Bags On Bars And All 4 Bars Backwards??

[LIL-WILL]

I know a guy who was running a set up like that he ran it for about a year with few problem but I don't know how it rode

[Onoma]

yeah fill me in i still have mono leafed with 3 inch blocks.

[draggindually93]

reverse four links are alright. The biggest problem is the same a a two link in that the pinion angle can change pretty drastically so you have to know your ride hieght and stick to it. the reason for this is because the link bars are traveling on an opposite arc as the drive shaft instead of a forward fourlink where they are on the arcs that the bars and the driveshaft are facing the same way.

[Blazed22s]

reverse four links are alright. The biggest problem is the same a a two link in that the pinion angle can change pretty drastically so you have to know your ride hieght and stick to it. the reason for this is because the link bars are traveling on an opposite arc as the drive shaft instead of a forward fourlink where they are on the arcs that the bars and the driveshaft are facing the same way.

exactly. if you were to get a butt load of lift with an all reverse 4link, you could possibly pull the driveshaft completely out from the tranny at full lift